Mesyuarat IRC 23-03-2009

Daripada Wiki Ubuntu Malaysia.

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<ApOgEE--> baiklah, kita mulakan mesyuarat dengan kata-kata aluan dari pengerusi mesyuarat hari ini, saudara GunbladeIV

<umarzuki> orang yang propose tu mane?

<itiknila> ada

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, uish.. aku plak pengerusi

  • ApOgEE-- tepuk.. tepuk.. tepuk..

<umarzuki> ucapan aluan tn. Pemeja

<ApOgEE--> Sdr GunbladeIV , silakan

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, ko la start

<ApOgEE--> wb wariola

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, aku tak pandai bermadah2 ni

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, aku dah mulakan tu.. teruskanla

<GunbladeIV> wb wariola da great

<ApOgEE--> isk.. lambat la ko GunbladeIV

<ApOgEE--> ....

<umarzuki> ringkas2 dah la

<umarzuki> asibidibam

<GunbladeIV> Okey la, straight to the point(sebab tak nak membuang masa) - 1st topic utk dibincangkan adalah mengenai topic didalam milist 'Peluang mengumpul dana' :

<GunbladeIV> Siapa yang propose that topic may elaborate a litle bit please:

  • ApOgEE-- point to itiknila

<wariola> aik?

<wariola> meeting ka?

<umarzuki> yo la

<ApOgEE--> wariola, ya meeting... x baca milis ka?

<GunbladeIV> wariola, yup.. you are mostly welkam my dear Man utd fren

<GunbladeIV> wariola, :P

  • ApOgEE-- poke wariola's eye

<umarzuki> ade lobang bisnes katenyer

<ApOgEE--> silakan saudara itiknila ...

<ApOgEE--> ....

<wariola> sori

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, anything yang anda nk cakap pasal proposal 'kumpul dana' dalam milist?

<wariola> byk sgt email

<itiknila> ada satu kompeni nak masuk tender

<itiknila> kompeni ni hardware dah ada (katanya laa.)

  • ApOgEE-- poke BuffaloSoldier ... r u there?

<itiknila> nak cari orang untuk install dan support untuk 3 tahun.

<wariola> ubuntu?

<itiknila> ya

<umarzuki> 3 thn? musti juta2 ni...

<itiknila> 1000 unit (995 unit kot?)

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, most probably

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, bermakna tender baru nk lobi and belum confirm that company dpt lagi la kan?

<wariola> support desktop ke server?

<GunbladeIV> wariola, desktop

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: btol

<umarzuki> sedangkan meten 3 jibik sebe pun 1/2 juta

<itiknila> wariola: yang aku faham, desktop dan notebook

<ApOgEE--> itiknila, dah baca proposal tu?

<itiknila> walaubagaimanapun...

<umarzuki> tp nanti musti mau letak orang kat site

<umarzuki> sape mau?

<wariola> govt ke swasta? client dia

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, so ini bermakna baru proposal saja - mcm mana saudara itiknila berhubung dgn company?

<itiknila> proposal dia tak kasi.

<itiknila> walaubagaimanapun...

<ApOgEE--> owh.. apa yg dia kasi?

<e-jat> wariola: sure la gomen ..

<itiknila> beberapa isu yang aku nampak

<e-jat> wariola: baru nak submit tender. .

<umarzuki> ade org dalam kawtim ke?

<ApOgEE--> ok, continue please...

<itiknila> e-jat: memang gomen.. emboss hak kerajaan

<e-jat> !google no tepon .. kampeni tu kampeni MEDIDATA SDN BHD ek ?

<ubot4> e-jat: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, bila bot google nak hidup ni?

<itiknila> company ni memang takde orang untuk supot bab software

<e-jat> itiknila: ko dah review ke spec file ?

<e-jat> ApOgEE- ntah

<e-jat> dulu bukan ade ke

<e-jat> ahaks

<e-jat> kat webnet kut .. skali ngn wiki

  • ApOgEE-- cucuk e-jat

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, ko ada direct connection dengan company yg nk gune khidmat ni ke?

<itiknila> sipolan tu, setakat ni belum balas lagi

<nbliang> so the client is gov?

<wariola> bg itiknila abiskan dl

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: takde..

<wariola> pening dia :p

<ApOgEE--> itiknila, apa isu yg x clear lagi?

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, okey, teruskan

<ApOgEE--> ..

<itiknila> kalau kita buat, isu yang aku nampak

<itiknila> 1. Camna nak collect dan simpan dana

<itiknila> 2. Kang kalau di bahagi PC/Laptop kepada installer. Installer Cabut

<itiknila> 3. Siapa akan manage?

<itiknila> 1.1 Siapa yang boleh dipercayai dengan duit.

<kamp2tux> aptitude does not have "Super Cow Powers", what does "Super Cow Powers" means ?

<umarzuki> kamp2tux: kononnye tu 'hidden level'

<itiknila> 4. Besar kemungkinan install seluruh Malaysia, siapa nak turun padang?

<umarzuki> kamp2tux: macam diablo 2

<wariola> kita kena deal cara pro

<wariola> 1. kena ada company

<itiknila> 5. Siapa boleh support 8/5.

<wariola> official company

<wariola> so company to company arrangement

<wariola> utk jaga exposure

<itiknila> 6. Support, email/fax

<ApOgEE--> itiknila, aku ada cadangan...

<wariola> 2. so kalau nk involve community

<wariola> kena company yg dibuat tu officially lantik sapa yg nak join support team - bergaji

<itiknila> Dari milist, fenris(?) bagi cadangan community support install...(?)

<wariola> 3. kita kena table pricing kita

<wariola> 1 time installation

<wariola> remote support

<itiknila> (Jap break 2 minit)

<wariola> support portal

<ApOgEE--> sekarang ni, masta e-jat BuffaloSoldier dan beberapa orang lagi telah bersekongkol membuat sebuah badan opensource yang pada dasarnya bukanlah untuk mengaut keuntungan

<wariola> cost utk trn site

<wariola> kira lain

<umarzuki> oh, osdc.my tu ke

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, ya lor...

<wariola> osdc.my tu kan kompeni

<wariola> pakai jer

<wariola> BuffaloSoldier ada kompeni gak

<ApOgEE--> itiknila, why not, kita pakai nama OSDC.my

<wariola> tp kena buat written agreement

<wariola> aku kurg setuju guna osdc.my

<umarzuki> nape

<ApOgEE--> wariola, reason?

<wariola> sbb event osdc.my br nk start

<wariola> takut nnt ada conflict of interest

<wariola> tu pandangan aku

<wariola> takut org luar pndang lain

<ApOgEE--> wariola, i see... then, any other suggestion?

<GunbladeIV> reasonable jugak tu wariola

<wariola> tp itu pandangan aku jer

<umarzuki> pandangan lembaga pengarah?

<wariola> strictly my opinion

<GunbladeIV> apa2hal pun of course la osdc.my nye org kaut kene bincang dulu

<GunbladeIV> kaut/kuat*

<ApOgEE--> wariola, jika tidak, ada cadangan lain ke?

<wariola> hmm

<wariola> create kompeni baru

<kamp2tux> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=344717

<wariola> atau guna kompeni buffalo ke

  • e-jat agreed with wariola .. for da time being .. osdc.my not plan to make profit / biz ... untill keadaan beransur tenang .....

<wariola> mana2 kompeni yg ada experience

      • MyAzhax_ is now known as MyAzhax

<GunbladeIV> yup, BuffaloSoldier pun ada rasanya, tp kene tanye dia dulu la

<wariola> lg bagus

<wariola> at least ada nama

<wariola> n kena igt

<wariola> deal ngan gomen

<wariola> kena ada license kementerian kewangan

<wariola> special IT nyer license

<e-jat> wariola: mau masuk tender ... kena ada paid up capital ... MOF utk IT ... amanah factor ...

<wariola> korg dah ada ke benda tu?

<e-jat> 100k

<angch> wariola: er... kami? :P (kami = bytecraft) otoh, we don't do OS/distro based support anymore.

<ApOgEE--> wariola, mender ni, kita kena masuk tender kah?

<wariola> tak

<e-jat> angch: wink

<wariola> kalau korg interested

<wariola> kena pk sumer tu

<angch> just came back from dinner, missed the convo....

<e-jat> angch: do u know what tender its about bro ?

<wariola> pastu agreement ngan kompeni tu

<itiknila> Haa part ni yang aku masih kabur..

<wariola> kena review elok2

<angch> e-jat: gimme some keywords.

<wariola> ngan lawyer lg bagus

<wariola> takut kena tipu

<e-jat> hehe dah lama x join2 tendeer nie

<wariola> duit bang.. isu besar ni

<ApOgEE--> wariola, aku fikir, that company yg masuk tender while we provide the service and expertise.... correct me if i'm wrong

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, aku rasa kita tak masuk tender, METADATA yg masuk tender, kita just sub bahagian support

<wariola> hmm

<wariola> kalau camtu ok ApOgEE-

<wariola> takyah license

<mib_e3kniy> betul2

<wariola> tp takder tender pon

<e-jat> angch: http://forums.ubuntu.com.my/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=972&sid=882ef85c8476a1f5be83cc2de0a40e92

<wariola> still kena ada pricing

<wariola> utk korg offer ke metadata

<ApOgEE--> so, kita takde issue lesen MOF dan apekefakap semua

<GunbladeIV> wariola, pricing dari segi support yg kita akan buat?

<wariola> installation, support, remote support, on site support

<GunbladeIV> wariola, isnt it?

<wariola> kena detail

<wariola> yups

<wariola> app apa korg support

<wariola> kang tak pasal2 ada user

<e-jat> chup!!! sape yg dah review spesifikasi tender tu ? ( aku mals )

<wariola> nk install visio ke access ke

<ApOgEE--> the thing is, kita nak satu badan yg jadi penghubung antara ubuntu community ngan kampeni tersebut

<e-jat> mmg tertera ker OS NK PAKAI UBUNTU ?

<wariola> tak ke mampus

<GunbladeIV> i think this one - org y pakar dalam selok belok undang2 perniagaan la kene settlekan.

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, yup

<e-jat> or any Opensource OS ?

<itiknila> e-jat: memang kena pakai ubuntu

<wariola> kena pikir sumer tu

<e-jat> itiknila: ok thanks

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, i've review depa nye spec, mmg sume nk pakai Ubuntu as Main OS

<wariola> pastu environment dia kena tgk ga

<wariola> apa network infra dia pakai

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: software2 lain yang berkaitan ?

<wariola> takut takleh masuk AD ke apa ke

<wariola> just my 2 cents

<ApOgEE--> hmm.. jap... settle dulu bahagian "badan penghubung" tu...

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, basic (OpenOfficeMozilla Firefox Web Browseriii Macromedia Flash Plugin,dobe Reader ,Proposed Printer Driver for Ubuntu Linux)

<itiknila> e-jt: oo, firefox, flashplayer, adobe reader, printer support

<ApOgEE--> payment akan masuk melalui badan tu.. so, that company should be trusted ... apa kata BuffaloSoldier dari Adon?

<e-jat> Ubuntu Linux CD or Recovery CD

<e-jat> imaging ..

<e-jat> huhu

<itiknila> e-jat: correct

<e-jat> angch: can u guest what BRAND it will be ?

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, remaster je...

<e-jat> hehe ..

<angch> e-jat looks generic enough.

<e-jat> angch: tricky .. its specific already i think

<e-jat> wb zarul

<ApOgEE--> wb zarul

<GunbladeIV> wb zarul

<ApOgEE--> :D

<itiknila> aku rasa, bahagian teknilak shud be ok. Ni bahagian admin/finance/workforce

<angch> otoh, you usually don't participate in the tender unless you have extra info.

<e-jat> angch: got my notice ?

<zarul> hai

<ApOgEE--> itiknila, bahagian admin/finance tu settle kendian.. skang ni nak clear ngan kampeni yg mewakili ubuntu-my duul

<itiknila> teknikal

<ApOgEE--> *dulu

<ApOgEE--> hmm... any ideas?

<itiknila> so, adakah benda ni nampak macam boleh jadi sumber dana untuk ubuntu-my?

<itiknila> atau akan backfire?

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, technically should tak de problem, the problem is with man power, company to represent ubuntu-my and any???

<umarzuki> mungkin bole panggang ponggong kita kalau sapot main2

<umarzuki> mane mao carik otai menten 24/7?

<ApOgEE--> itiknila, dana untuk ubuntu-my mmg boleh... jika ada bahagian yg dimasukkan untuk ubuntu-my secara spesifik

<GunbladeIV> For me, kalau nk buat ni - then everyone kene serious la. sebab ini memegang nama community ubuntu-my

<itiknila> umarzuki: aku setuju. Kena serius. komitted. 3 tahun

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, nak menten 24/7 dan other things, boleh buat recruitment je

<umarzuki> terus-terang, aku pun keje ngan vendor, jd xlbe belot ngan kampeni aku ;-)

<itiknila> Atau, kita boleh bagi training untuk staff compani nih?

<BuffaloSoldier> ???

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, yup buleh buat recruitment. Aku rasa better kita recruit man power dari company tu utk buat support

<BuffaloSoldier> kenapa nama tuan hamba disebut?

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, now we are talking about business... doesn't we are the people who are working on field

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, that's my point

<itiknila> gunbladeiv:Mungkin itu lebih sesuai

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, another workaround is, kita just buat mcm bengkel utk latih pekerja company tu utk tolong dlm technical support and other things require

<itiknila> at least, tak kena commited 8/5

<ApOgEE--> this business will make some money for ubuntu-my ... so, in future kita tak teragak nak sewa booth, print banting, sewa dewan for any ubuntu-my occassion

<ApOgEE--> sebab fund dah ada... dan ia sepatutnya transparent

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, tu takde masalah

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, we can do it for free like another ubuntu-my nye yearly event to promote or we take something for funding

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, once the job is ours, kita just manage how it will go

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, i see

<angch> suggest: nail down flat fee for job scope $foo, $bar, $baz.

<itiknila> (anyway, server fund engkorang amik kat mana?)

  • BuffaloSoldier tgh scroll

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, kita ada kepakaran.. kita boleh recruit orang yg takde keje untuk buat keje tu berdasarkan manual yg kita bagi... simple je

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, contribution dari ahli ubuntu-my..

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, takde funding pun.. purely donation ahli seikhlas hati

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: aku tak pernah tau pun ada kutipan, siapa kutip?

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, kalo ko tengok IT tech keje kat mana2 firm pun, diorg hanya follow manual je..

<ApOgEE--> ikut step by step...

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, mmg tak de kutipan pun. Mypapit donate space dari server dia. that's all. Domain and other stuff also maintain by mypapit

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, then, kita provide that manual la.. kendian bayar mereka dengan gaji yg berpatutan

  • BuffaloSoldier setuju dengan cadangan GunbladeIV (ubuntu-my tolong train staff syarikat tu)

<angch> suggest: don't do charity work for Enterprises. save them for real charities.

<BuffaloSoldier> antara sebabnya:

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: roger

<BuffaloSoldier> 1) kurang liabiti

<e-jat> itu lagi ok ..

<itiknila> 1) setuju

<e-jat> kalau kampeni tu dpt tender tu ..

<BuffaloSoldier> 2) syarat2 dan terma perjanjian dgn syarikat tu tak perlu panjang berjela, ianya akan jadi lebih mudah untuk difahamai dan dilaksanakan

<e-jat> ajar @ TOT la staff kampeni tu

<BuffaloSoldier> tapi

<BuffaloSoldier> rancangan macam tu, ada disadvantage juga

<GunbladeIV> angch, we can collect funding or payment for every workshop that we provide for staff training

<itiknila> so, siapa ada calculator.. buat kiraan sikit..

<BuffaloSoldier> 1) ilmu FOSS dikalangan orang yg kita tak pasti apakah prinsip meraka (untung maksima tanpa hirau komuniti ATAU sanggup simbiosis dgn komuniti agar ada hubungan berpanjangan)

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, the idea is, to make some fund for ubuntu-my to go further... walaupun sikit sebab kita tak amik keseluruhan projek, at least we got some for handing our expertise in our part

<BuffaloSoldier> 2) kita tak boleh nak charge byk sgt

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, and the disadvantages is?

<GunbladeIV> s/is/are/g

<angch> GunbladeIV: bigger win if you can already standardize it, and push it as a package. for everyone. heh, wasn't oscc doing thing similar to this?

<GunbladeIV> angch, yup. there's a good point you got there.

<wariola2> damn crash tadi

<BuffaloSoldier> e-jat, apa kursus / sijil yg OSCC buat tu?

<BuffaloSoldier> CNI?

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, ?

<angch> anyway, good luck with everything, i need to get back to work. will try to help in personal capacity if i can.

<ApOgEE--> thanks angch

<BuffaloSoldier> e-jat, kursus linux yg oscc buat utk gomen serven tuh?

<GunbladeIV> angch, thank you for your oppinion.

<e-jat> linux desktop ?

<itiknila> tq

<e-jat> kena tanyer training department

<e-jat> linux sys admin ?

<ApOgEE--> so, BuffaloSoldier guna ADON ke?

<e-jat> CLA = certified linux administrator ?

<wariola2> mana dah diskus ni? :(

<itiknila> so kalau buat kursus, berapa selalunya di charge?

<angch> wait wait, FWIW, we have seeds of some ubuntu server install docs we needed as part of bigger job. anyone interested to wiki/help out in maintaining it? Creative Commons, of course.

<ApOgEE--> wariola2, read the log... http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2009/03/23/%23ubuntu-my.html

<angch> (not sure if wanna do CC-no commercial or just plain CC-shareandsharealike)

<GunbladeIV> wariola, i've just sent you the smmary of current discussion

<ApOgEE--> angch, could u put the details on mailing list?

<e-jat> dahsyat tul channel akhir2 nie ..

<e-jat> kan kalau mcm nie hari2 kan bagus

<BuffaloSoldier> ApOgEE-, dalam hal nak guna ADON tu, aku kene tanya business partner aku dulu

<BuffaloSoldier> tapi aku rasa tak sesuai... sebab basically company mcm ni... competitor ADON

<BuffaloSoldier> terang2 conflict of interest

<angch> ah, stuff it, prolly not relevant to your discussion right now, so i think i'd rather sanitize whatever i have and put it up as CC, either on our own site, or on ubuntu-my if there's interest.

<umarzuki> cantek la tu, aku duk sini sambil blaja bisnes :-)

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, ok... sebab sekarang ni, yg nampaknya ada satu company jer yg boleh bantu represent ubuntu-my... which is ADON . itupun kalau BuffaloSoldier tak keberatan

<BuffaloSoldier> angch, what's not relevant? sorry, too many parallel discussion to follow in here :P

<ApOgEE--> atau, tolong cadangkan yang lain...

<GunbladeIV> O.o

<e-jat> angch: put it @ ubuntu-my wiki .. :)

<angch> BuffaloSoldier: sorry, some docs we have. Ubuntu install walkthrough for LAPP stack.

<itiknila> BuffaloSoldier: kalau jalan bersama ok tak?

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<BuffaloSoldier> itiknila, boleh dipertimbangkan

<BuffaloSoldier> business alliance

  • ApOgEE-- hoorayyy we got OP!!! cheers to nbliang !!!

<umarzuki> ala, BuffaloSoldier, kira associate je la ngan diorang

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<wariola2> tq GunbladeIV

<BuffaloSoldier> zarul, glad you could make it bro :)

<ApOgEE--> thanks zarul

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<GunbladeIV> ANY OTHER SUGGESTION ON COMPANY WHICH MIGHT BE RELEVEN TO REPRESENT UBUNTU-MY?

<ApOgEE--> now, can we change the topic.. please?

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<zarul> no problem, I can't be long Ithough gotta wake up at 5.30 ... But I will leave my computer on

<BuffaloSoldier> i think 3 OPs is enough... besides, we know where e-jat lives... if he goes AWOL... boleh sita rumah dia :P

<ApOgEE--> hmmm BACK to the discussion guys!!!

<ApOgEE--> hehehehe...

<ApOgEE--> ya lor...

<GunbladeIV> AGREED~

<GunbladeIV> ANY OTHER SUGGESTION ON COMPANY WHICH MIGHT BE RELEVEN TO REPRESENT UBUNTU-MY?

<wariola2> hmm

/getubuntu/download: Ubuntu 9.04 coming!!: Contribute to our http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my"

<ApOgEE--> OK, sekarang kita ada ADON...

<BuffaloSoldier> guys... if at the end of the day, still don't have any company to represent ubuntu-my... i will bring this matter to my biz partner

<wariola2> hmm

<wariola2> I'm in the middle of regsitering a company

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, last choice?

<BuffaloSoldier> wariola2, cool

<GunbladeIV> if no other suggestion then i think we might need to have plan B which might reduce the profit for Ubuntu-my

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<wariola2> n for now aku guna kompeni uncle aku

<BuffaloSoldier> ApOgEE-, yes... make adon last choice

<e-jat> erk BuffaloSoldier tau umah aku ?

<e-jat> pawah2

<GunbladeIV> wariola2, can your company be ready for this ?

<wariola2> but the point is

<zarul> Just for your info, please kindly contact Canonical regarding this... They have stricy policy on this and I remember there was a discussion going on long ago on the mailing list about setting up a non-profit etc

<ApOgEE--> wariola2, ok then... so, are you going to use your uncle's company to represent ubuntu-my?

<wariola2> sng je nk setup kompeni baru

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<wariola2> :p

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: bukan profit..

<zarul> *strict

<BuffaloSoldier> i think the phrase "representing ubuntu-my" is a bit imprecise

<wariola2> yups

<wariola2> ubuntu-my is a community

<ApOgEE--> ok, so.. how to resolve that?

<wariola2> we need to do this privately

<BuffaloSoldier> what is need at the moment, is just a legal entity than can hold the money for ubuntu-my

<wariola2> no need to said "ubuntu-my incorporated"

/getubuntu/download | Jaunty Jackalope Ubuntu 9.04 coming!! | Lets Contribute to our http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my"

<BuffaloSoldier> sort of like a trust fund holder

<GunbladeIV> zarul, i'll consult the canonical after this regarding this discussion. thanks for the advice bro

<wariola2> we just a "company that support ubuntu"

<ApOgEE--> wariola2, sure can...

<ApOgEE--> yeah.. wariola2 that's it

<wariola2> we just a "company that provide support for ubuntu"

<itiknila> utnubu-my incorporated?

<wariola2> meaning

<wariola2> jgn libatkan komuniti

<GunbladeIV> utnubu.. lol (joking)

<wariola2> jd isu nnt

<BuffaloSoldier> "company XYZ will become the trust fund holder for payments to jobs done OR will be done by Malaysian Ubunteros"

<ApOgEE--> the idea is to have some fund to do things that limit us to go far just because of money

<BuffaloSoldier> i hope that sentence is a bit clearer n concise

<itiknila> "company that provide support for ubuntu-my community"

<wariola2> hmm

<wariola2> apogee- cost apa kita nk kena incur?

<wariola2> i think FOSS company cost is very minimal

<wariola2> hardware pon diorg provide

<wariola2> software is free

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, we can go to ubuntu events outside... or maybe do other things

<wariola2> cuma kena bayar gaji org jer

<zarul> I think there is really no need to set bla bla bla company to represent Ubuntu-my... Anyone can go do something, earn the money and then donate to the community

<BuffaloSoldier> wariola2, TIME and KNOWLEDGE is not cheap :)

<wariola2> +1 zarul

<itiknila> so the BIG questio still is "Which Company"?

<umarzuki> jd, company ni nanti bertindak sebagai consultant?

<BuffaloSoldier> zarul has a good point there

<wariola2> i know BuffaloSoldier , but jual air liur for a start

<ApOgEE--> zarul, the donation will go to where? that's the question here

<wariola2> we can start with very minimal cost

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: i will check with prakash regarding this issues .. since prakash already go to Terengganu for sites visit ..

  • wariola2 doing a job on redhat + jboss

<itiknila> wariola2: since nak kutip duit for community, kira minimum wage..

<umarzuki> prakash?

<ApOgEE--> zarul, AFAIK ubuntu-my don't have any accountant or sort of.. to hold the fund

<e-jat> ApOgEE- : anda sanggup mo tlg settlekan ROC ?

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, thanks

<wariola2> but I dont incur taht much cost, guna je free version

<e-jat> umarzuki: Prakash Advani

<wariola2> then bila client dah bayar

<wariola2> bayar support version

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, bukan anda ke yg settlekan? :p

<BuffaloSoldier> I would like to suggest something different. Leave the name "Ubuntu-MY" out of this deal. The company that wins the tender will negotiate directly with each individual. Agreement will then be between the company that wins the tender and the individual

<itiknila> siapa yang sanggup kerja for minimum wage for the community? aku rasa orang2 kat sini..

<wariola2> yes +1 BuffaloSoldier

<e-jat> ApOgEE- i mean kalau mau UBUNTU-MY la

<wariola2> we are a company that do ubuntu support

<e-jat> +1 BuffaloSoldier

<ApOgEE--> ApOgEE-, +1 for BuffaloSoldier

<wariola2> not ubuntu-my guys selling our services

<zarul> Well, that's something that we need to consult Canonical, there was already a dicussion on this earlier on setting up a non-profit and handling the fund and so on... It's not that simple though... Atleast from what I remember from the dicussion in the mailing list

<umarzuki> e-jat: ingat associate kampeni aku yg kaki M$ tu

<e-jat> umarzuki: huhu

<BuffaloSoldier> After that, it depends on the individual, how much he wants to contribute to the "Tabung Komuniti Ubuntu-MY". Tiada paksaan, derma ikhlas.

<e-jat> nama dekat2 bro

<wariola2> yups

<GunbladeIV> correct me if im wrong, i think it wont be against CoC if we charge for support.

<ApOgEE--> zarul, any suggestion?

<wariola2> contribution will come after the company makes profit

<umarzuki> nanti dah dapat, pandai2 le kawtim

<umarzuki> hehehe

<e-jat> +1 to BuffaloSoldier lagi ... Tiada paksaan .. derma ikhlas

<zarul> ApGEE-- , question regarding?

<e-jat> derma open table kat yap kwan seng ke ..

<zarul> sorry

<BuffaloSoldier> GunbladeIV, Canonical / Ubuntu does not forbid anyone from making business. As long as they do not MIS-represent Canonical or Ubuntu.

<zarul> I mean suggestion

<e-jat> x gitu umarzuki ?

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, correct

<zarul> But I think kan

<BuffaloSoldier> Meaning, jangan menyamar dan hulur business card yang tertera "Saya Engineer Rasmi Canonical"

<zarul> we don't even need to have accountant etc..

<e-jat> BuffaloSoldier: wallah ..

<zarul> or even setting a bank account or register anything

<umarzuki> e-jat: derma ape ye?

<ApOgEE--> zarul, as you said, it's not that simple... do you have any suggestion to resolve this issue?

<itiknila> Aku rasa, as a company yang takde ubuntu expert, diaorang nak comitment 8/5.

<zarul> let the company keep the money

<ApOgEE--> any way out/

<ApOgEE--> ?

<zarul> and when we need a sponsor orr anything

<e-jat> BuffaloSoldier: remember .. u have to prequisite LPI 101 + LPI 102 + Ubuntu 199 + 2 Course

<ubot4> Ubuntu bug 199 in baz ""baz export" doesn't add to the revision library" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199

<zarul> for ubuntu-my activities

<zarul> just ask from them

<e-jat> then can get the UCP = Ubuntu Certified Profesional

<BuffaloSoldier> itiknila, the what ever commitment is between the company and individual

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, and i think that's why they wanted to use a company which only will represent ubuntu-my transparently to manage the fund and only the funds

<umarzuki> tak pu n cilok student ubuntu wannabe for free labor bebeh!!

<BuffaloSoldier> it is the same as a company hiring 5-10 contract staff

<ApOgEE--> OK, i got the idea...

<e-jat> umarzuki: kesian la student tu

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, lol

<wariola2> hmm

<ApOgEE--> but how to attach that company to be honest to give sponsors when we need it?

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: lol ?

<umarzuki> tu dinamakan "latihan praktikal"

<e-jat> umarzuki: wah .. biasa buat nampak

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, lol for "kesian la student tu" . i am one of the student

<e-jat> umarzuki: ko kasi elaun x ?

<wariola2> company apogee-?

<umarzuki> kasi la

<BuffaloSoldier> wariola2, Please explain to us, how complicated it is to register a society on scale 0 to 10. 0 = makan kacang, 10 = LPI3

<zarul> Well, if they are doing this for the community, they will give it.. Or else We can't force them...

<ApOgEE--> wariola2, aku takde kampeni la

<e-jat> ApOgEE- : black honest .. x gitu wariola2

<umarzuki> seploh hengget sekari hehehe

<umarzuki> hari

<zarul> Just that, a lesson will be learnt

<umarzuki> takpun duit rokok

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, OK, then...

<e-jat> sekari ?

<e-jat> hari2 makan mee kari ?

<ApOgEE--> so, lets leave it to the company

<ApOgEE--> now, which company is going for this?

<e-jat> ApOgEE- : c i told ya in da phone already .. just leave it to that company ..

<GunbladeIV> zarul, yup, good point.. we cant force a company to sponsor to this community unless they are willing to do so

<ApOgEE--> can we appoint them?

<e-jat> ApOgEE- klau tender time gawat nie ..

<zarul> Remember that we are here to contribute to the community without hoping for anything as a return, if we get something, bersyukur lah pada tuhan

<wariola2> society? tak ssh sgt

<wariola2> tp diorg suka suki je nk reject atau tak

<zarul> else...

<wariola2> tu je problem

<wariola2> kalau nk buat kutipan derma atau kutip duit

<e-jat> sah2 => 100 kampeni

<wariola2> kena ada society

<zarul> life goes on

<wariola2> atau kompeni

<umarzuki> kutipan derma untuk?

<wariola2> hmm

<umarzuki> buat kampeni?

<GunbladeIV> So as a conclusion: I think we can only support then in giving training to their man power to handle support and basic troubleshoot regarding Ubuntu (agree?)

<wariola2> buat je ubuntu society malaysia

<GunbladeIV> s/then/them/g

<wariola2> so mana2 kompeni leh daftar kat situ

<itiknila> Gunbladeiv: agree

  • e-jat nak mintak derma/sponsor la dari wariola2 for OSCON nanti bleh x wariola2 ? x pun pinjam ***berry ke

<BuffaloSoldier> GunbladeIV, +1

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, +1

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: +1

<wariola2> then bila nk pakai duit

<itiknila> lain2 cara, walaupun better money, not really viable

<wariola2> pow diorg

<e-jat> pergh .. GunbladeIV pengkerusi majlis

<umarzuki> aku paling kuat ble bg 200 hengget sebualan, tp nanti makan cik maggi hari2

<wariola2> as a return diorg dapat marketing exposure etc

<wariola2> hehehe

<umarzuki> seksi tu...

<GunbladeIV> we've got an agreement? no interest in making profits with this situation what so ever.

<e-jat> umarzuki: tau la aku makan megi tadi ..

  • e-jat sedey .. nyorok tepi laptop

<wariola2> GunbladeIV: ?

<BuffaloSoldier> 5 votes so far for GunbladeIV's motion -->> I think we can only support then in giving training to their man power to handle support and basic troubleshoot regarding Ubuntu (agree?)

<wariola2> korg tak buat job tu?

<wariola2> rugi oooo

<wariola2> masuk jer

<umarzuki> e-jat: nak megi tomyam, ada 3 bungkus lg

<wariola2> guna kompeni mana2

<BuffaloSoldier> any other votes?

<wariola2> kalau dapat ok, tak dapat takpela


<wariola2> at least try

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: +1

<e-jat> umarzuki: nak sampai kat tpt ko tu pun dah brpe inggit minyak

<ApOgEE--> so, itiknila punya idea untuk buat dana for ubuntu-my sekarang terpulang atas kampeni tu

<umarzuki> hak3

<wariola2> hmm

<BuffaloSoldier> wariola2, deadline is 1 day away.... not feasible

<wariola2> bila nak?

<itiknila> apogee: kalau cas / training session?

<wariola2> meh aku buat

<wariola2> rugi siot

<ApOgEE--> so, apa yg kita boleh bantu kampeni tu?

<wariola2> at least try

<BuffaloSoldier> closing date 25hb

<GunbladeIV> 2 days from no

<GunbladeIV> now*

<ApOgEE--> itiknila, that can be personal

<e-jat> meh buat ?

<GunbladeIV> 1 day, already 24th

<BuffaloSoldier> nak setup company, nak apply MOF, nak apply status bumim

<e-jat> buat ape ? megi ?

<umarzuki> ha... BuffaloSoldier, 1 hari br mau crita ka? itiknila?

<wariola2> hmm

  • BuffaloSoldier pon baru tahu benda ni tengahari tadi

<e-jat> la la la la la la la ..

<wariola2> guna kompeni sedia ada

<itiknila> umarzuki: arini baru dia post kat forum

<umarzuki> camtu, wa tarik selimut la

<wariola2> ok apa sbbnya korg taknak buat? deadline sehari lagi?

<wariola2> tu je?

<GunbladeIV> the best way is we keep the main point of this community by giving exposure and technical support to anyone/any organization that need help on ubuntu

<ApOgEE--> ok, at least we resolve something today.... we got our #ubuntu-my topic updated... cheers to all!!

<GunbladeIV> that's my opinion.

<e-jat> wariola2: sedia ada ? so pagi kang 830 ko nak hala ke agensi mana mo beli tender ?

<BuffaloSoldier> insan-insan lain dalam channel ni.... ada sesapa nak vote FOR or AGAINST the idea?

<itiknila> apogee: hehehe

  • ApOgEE-- Cheers to all Ubuntu members!!

<wariola2> agensi mana punya job ni?

<nbliang> ok guys, can't stay up with u guys. just remember that, ubuntu-my is always a COMMUNITY and bound by Ubuntu CoC (http://www.ubuntu.com/community /conduct). Just make sure we do not breach the CoC...

<GunbladeIV> nbliang, roger that bro

<BuffaloSoldier> e-jat, tak semudah tu nak beli tender... kebanyakan agensi sekarang wajibkan vendor datang briefing... baru boleh beli tender spec

<umarzuki> ok vote stuju ngan bg training, tek sapot tu shushah gak tu...

<e-jat> nbliang: +1

<BuffaloSoldier> that's my personal experience

<e-jat> BuffaloSoldier: i tau ..

<angch> nbliang: +1

<BuffaloSoldier> e-jat, you mmg power :)

<e-jat> busan dah tender2 nie .. like angch .. am i rite bro ?

<angch> e-jat: :P

<wariola2> which agency yg bukak tender ni?

<GunbladeIV> umarzuki, tech support tu might be from our forum or this IRC channel itsself

<e-jat> BuffaloSoldier: x de la pawah .. tu bro angch tu lagi pawah

<itiknila> wariola2: agensi masih misteri

      • e-jat sets mode: -o e-jat

<ApOgEE--> sementelah kita ramai-ramai kat sini, ada apa2 isu berbangkit lain nak diketengahkan?

<e-jat> tp sape yg nak gain experience digalakkan la mencebur bidang2 tender nie ..

<GunbladeIV> I think we can only support then in giving training to their man power to handle support and basic troubleshoot regarding Ubuntu (agree?)

<umarzuki> nanti dia nak orang stanby 24/7 ke?

<umarzuki> kt site?

<itiknila> tapi aku rasa kompeni tu memang terdesak/lembab. dua hari nak tutup tender baru nak bertanya

<GunbladeIV> so far got +5 votes from ( BuffaloSoldier , e-jat , ApOgEE- , itiknila , umarzuki )

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, that's not our problem anymore

<itiknila> umarzuki 8/5 next day

<e-jat> ApOgEE- tau x per

<ApOgEE--> kekekeke...

<BuffaloSoldier> tech support escalation: agency's staff -->> agency's IT dept/helpdesk (usually wont help much) -->> the company helpdesk -->> #ubuntu-my

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier dah bagi flow tu.. huhu.. bagi sesiapa yang tak faham

<BuffaloSoldier> yondie, senyap jer... tengah makan McD ka?

<umarzuki> mungkin nanti kena pasang ticketing system :-D

  • GunbladeIV poke yondie

<e-jat> yondie: makan carlz jr kut

<itiknila> yum.

<BuffaloSoldier> ubuntu-my community involvement with the company will be 2 type

<zarul> Remember guys, this is a community channel, not a support channel of any particular company, you might end up facing a lawsuit

<e-jat> zarul: +1

<BuffaloSoldier> type 1: ubuntu-my members will train the company staff... duration, time, location, syllabus, payment must have written agreement

<umarzuki> aerk...btul gak zarul ckp tu

<GunbladeIV> zarul, i see..

<e-jat> ape kate kite ramai2 membaca CoC utk memperingati diri masing2 :)

<BuffaloSoldier> type 2: ubuntu-my members in irc channel will try to help indirectly in IRC channel, but this is voluntary... no agreement... no payment... sesiapa yg ada dlm channel, tak busy, rasa nak tlg... akan tlg

<e-jat> seperti yg dinasihatkan oleh nbliang

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, let it be personal... I think.. not representing ubuntu-my

<itiknila> e-jat: apa kata aku baca dulu sebab tak pernah baca

<e-jat> itiknila: sila sila

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, haa.. baca2

<zarul> I mean CoC is one thing, another thing is, a company might expect to have a proper support from their vendor

<e-jat> then kalau alang2 dah baca tu .. sign terus coc

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, kira mcm biasa je la... sapa masuk, kita tulun je la

<e-jat> yeah

<BuffaloSoldier> zarul, i foresee that problem also that's why i separate the involment with the company into 2 parts

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, no more issue on making profit

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, atau kalau kampeni tu berminat nak bagi personal offer, they can talk privately

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, ya.. aku rasa as apa yg kita agreed - kita tak terlibat dgn support. kita just buat bengkel saja. then if their staff facing any problem yg perlukan bantuan, depa buleh rujuk memana medium la.. isnt it?

<itiknila> Aku rasa out of this, paling busuk pun 10% dari 1000 pengguna akan join ubuntu-my

<BuffaloSoldier> the "business" part is between the INDIVIDUAL <-> COMPANY for training. But must be careful not to mispresent Canonical, Ubuntu and Ubuntu-MY

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, which mean kita tak de pape contract dengan bahagian support utk company tu

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, +1

<umarzuki> ya... stuju BuffaloSoldier

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: better takde contract. takde ikatan

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, correct

<BuffaloSoldier> GunbladeIV, yes... nope... support is messy, ugly and full of uncessary headache that no one wants and definitely not what the comunity needs right now

<zarul> I think instead of having the community to be involved directily, you guys can letak dalam tender as... I mean you have experience with Ubuntu and is an active member of the community

<umarzuki> nanti xde payment plak

<zarul> bla bla bla bla

<zarul> I mean that's better

<e-jat> ApOgEE- & GunbladeIV : remember i was i rural area when i was in vendor ?

<BuffaloSoldier> what zarul said is corrent

<zarul> atleast they know you have expertise in the area

<BuffaloSoldier> correct

<umarzuki> mungkin jugak, takde ikatan

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, payment boleh dapat, kalo ko buat keje untuk kampeni tu without representing canonical, ubuntu or ubuntu-my

<itiknila> so siapa nak letak nama untuk dicontact company tu? isi borang

<BuffaloSoldier> You CAN say "i have experience as part of Ubuntu-MY community". But you CAN NOT say "I am representing Ubuntu-MY community"

<e-jat> so dah bleh close ke x nie ?

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, just do some freelance thingy... using your experience and good portfolio from ubuntu community

<e-jat> !topic

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, +1

<ubot4> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic

<e-jat> hehe mcm la ade bot meeting dalam nie

<GunbladeIV> so apa conclusion kita utk meeting ni?

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, ?

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, ?

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: next agenda la

<zarul> Precisely, I mean.. what Buffalo said is true

<BuffaloSoldier> conclusion: sesiapa yg berminat nak buat business dgn company tu... kumpul sesama korang... set time n date utk jumpa org company tu

<BuffaloSoldier> can anyone translate that to english? aku dah penat nak mikir dlm english

<BuffaloSoldier> :P

<GunbladeIV> NEXT AGENDA: Tomorrow regional board meeting(Asia Oceana) for Ubuntu-my candidates

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, lol

<ApOgEE--> thanks GunbladeIV ...

<e-jat> owh ok .. kena ikut pengkerusi majlis

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, I'll have it translated in ubuntu malaysia wiki tomorrow

<umarzuki> Yg ada cakap pasal prepare teks tu camane ha...

<itiknila> Anybody interested doing business withe the company, gather some wood and make fire

<BuffaloSoldier> GunbladeIV, thanks bro :)

<ApOgEE--> esok, beberapa ahli loco nak masuk interview... sapa nak datang?

<zarul> Anyway, just want to be honest... Masuk tender memang nampak cam best... You guys might be well prepared technically... But I think other than experiences and technical skills

<e-jat> haaa amik ko donald duck speaking

<ApOgEE--> aku takleh datang.. maaf...

<zarul> you guys need to understand how to do the business well

<zarul> kena cakap dengan lawyer

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, no problem

<GunbladeIV> SO WE MAY MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA - Tomorrow Regional Board meeting

  • BuffaloSoldier agrees to move to next agenda

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, +1

<e-jat> copat2 .. mata dah rabak nie ..

<zarul> It's not as simple as buka company today

<zarul> esok masuk tender

<ApOgEE--> sudah.. sudah.... NEXT TOPIC PLEASE

<umarzuki> nanti time interview, ada tanya "terangkan serba sedikit mngenai diri anda"

<GunbladeIV> Summary, we have 3 candidates which is JomLinux, Melayubuntu, Umarzuki and GunbladeIV

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: 4

<e-jat> :)

<GunbladeIV> Any comments regarding this 4 candidates

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, my bad.. sorry 4 cndidates

<zarul> I know GunbladeIV has been long enough here

<zarul> but not sure about the rest

  • ApOgEE-- vote -5 for JomLinux... they are too new

<e-jat> -5 ?

<zarul> I tihnk most of the members here have been around in the community atleast 6 - months to 1 year

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, any other reason to reject Jomlinux as a candidate?

<zarul> before becoming a member

<itiknila> PMS?

<e-jat> itiknila: +- gak kut PMS

<e-jat> ApOgEE- any issue about jomlinux ?

<umarzuki> apekah PMS?

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, they have to know more... I've met them already today

<GunbladeIV> zarul, thanks. But those candidate might need you to review their contribution and wiki if you arent busy

<e-jat> please raise it here ...

<e-jat> umarzuki: sila bela diri ..

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, JomLinux tu ada 6 orang... not person

  • e-jat cheywah .. mcm dalam mahkamah

<zarul> :-)

<umarzuki> e-jat: untuk?

<e-jat> ApOgEE- so u mean .. its not individual ?

<ApOgEE--> tadi je aku jumpa 2 member JomLinux

<e-jat> umarzuki: kire pre-interview la umarzuki hehe

<umarzuki> aku tak pandai betah, aku lurus je

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, does it mean that JomLinux is actually a group of people?

<ApOgEE--> sorang fahmi, dan sorang lagi daeng

<e-jat> zarul: comment about jomlinux ..

<ApOgEE--> kedua2nya masih baru dan belum benar2 faham bagaimana komuniti ini berfungsi

<umarzuki> abis, mamat fahmi tu?

<e-jat> its a group of people .. not personal ?

<zarul> E-jat, I tak kenal saper dewang...

<BuffaloSoldier> JomLinux is both the nickname of a person and a name of a group of people :p

  • GunbladeIV also tak kenal

<e-jat> zarul: i pun x kenal ..

<umarzuki> dia kepala jomlinux ke?

<zarul> So better not give our recomendation

<e-jat> zarul: +1

<BuffaloSoldier> the JL dude knows about the meeting tonite kan?

<e-jat> zarul: even if u can revise last nite channel log ... jomlinux insist to follow canonical trademark policy :(

<ApOgEE--> fahmi tu kepala jomlinux... diorg punya agenda kononnya adalah untuk bertindak "lebih proaktif" berbanding komuniti ubuntu-my sedia ada

<e-jat> BuffaloSoldier: should be la

<GunbladeIV> more over, there is an conflict in using Ubuntu name to gain profit (Ubuntu Kit) which is being develop by JomLinux itself(refer to their group)

<e-jat> ApOgEE- bersifat radikal x tentu pasal ?

<BuffaloSoldier> e-jat, can you explain that a bit? follow trademark?

<umarzuki> oh...team pembangkang ubuntu-my la ni...

<ApOgEE--> aku syorkan diorg join the community, help others first...

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, it should be "not to follo"

<ApOgEE--> ubuntu kit dijual untuk profit mereka...

<umarzuki> tp dia nampak macam nak mula bg kerjasama

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: thanks for the correction .. my bad ..

<zarul> hold on.. researching...

<itiknila> Quote"A person who wants to become a member should be engaged in a sustained level of contribution to the Ubuntu community"

<e-jat> ngantok layan korang la nie ..

<e-jat> sampai pagi

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, any url regarding the Ubuntu Kit ( my internet connection is a bit laggy )

<itiknila> A person dan buka A GROUP

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, hehehe...

<e-jat> kedai.jomlinux.com

<e-jat> itiknila: thanks for da quote ..

<e-jat> tepat n jitu

<GunbladeIV> zarul, you may have a review at http://kedai.jomlinux.com

<zarul> Well, simple... Let him go for the interview.. and let him explain apa yang dia buat.. As a member, kalau I berkesempatan ada kat sana esok.. I have to be honest....

<BuffaloSoldier> my personal comment regarding this applicant for now is "he has a few communications problem with some member of the community, but currently the is an effort on his part to communicate back with the community. On the other hand, i can not deny the good publicity of his Ubuntu promotion video in Youtube"

<e-jat> as prakash present to us @ oscc ... we can use any material from canonical/ubuntu for non-profit ... but if making profit .. its must have agreement ..

<zarul> 1) I tak kenal dia

<zarul> 2) Dia langgar CoC

<e-jat> zarul : agreed ..

<ApOgEE--> cool...

<e-jat> just i discuss with nbliang yesterday n this morning .. afraid it will reflex back to our LOCO

  • ApOgEE-- tak kisah pun... no big deal...

<GunbladeIV> so should be -5 vote for Jomlinux from our community isnt it?

<BuffaloSoldier> ok... next applicant lak?

<e-jat> melayubuntu ?

<e-jat> +1 for his e-maj , artwork , article post about ubuntu

<ApOgEE--> melayubuntu dah membantu mempromosi ubuntu melalui blog beliau

<BuffaloSoldier> -->> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/melayubuntu

  • GunbladeIV +1 for melayubuntu

<ApOgEE--> that's the place where jomlinux come from...

  • ApOgEE-- +1 for melayubuntu

<BuffaloSoldier> +1 for melayubuntu

<zarul> I have seen his blog before

<zarul> +1 from me

<umarzuki> +1 4 melayubuntu

<GunbladeIV> but the question is, is he ready to be bound by Canonical CoC?

<apisznasdin> +1 for melayubuntu

<BuffaloSoldier> dimana itu melayubuntu?

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: hmmmmm

<ApOgEE--> wow, apisznasdin ... bila sampai?

<e-jat> BuffaloSoldier: ganu

<apisznasdin> baru je

<BuffaloSoldier> melayubuntu please stand up, please stand up

<ApOgEE--> kekekeke

<ApOgEE--> ok.. next please

<apisznasdin> -5 JL juga

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: hows ya chat session with him yesterday?

<e-jat> apisznasdin: wow

<e-jat> diam2 ubi berisi

<e-jat> nasib baik x -10

<BuffaloSoldier> if he has signed the CoC, means he must agree with the CoC

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, i've help him on how to setup his wiki page. that's all

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: thanks

<e-jat> so next candidate ?

<GunbladeIV> NEXT CANDIDATE : Umarzuki

<BuffaloSoldier> -->> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/umarzuki

<umarzuki> +11 untuk umarzuki, hehehe

  • ApOgEE-- +2 umarzuki wakakaka...

<e-jat> hmm .. Sila bela diri .. ( yg tertuduh sila bela diri )

  • BuffaloSoldier slaps umarzuki with MSCE manual

<umarzuki> ouch...

<e-jat> siap manual M$

<BuffaloSoldier> :P

<ApOgEE--> masta of forums.ubuntu.com.my

<e-jat> umarzuki: kenapa +11 ?

<GunbladeIV> umarzuki, lol

<umarzuki> saje bagi lebih

<e-jat> thats not answering my question .. chey wah

<itiknila> (takut kena tolak... up le dulu)

<BuffaloSoldier> who can vouch for umarzuki ?

  • GunbladeIV +1 umarzuki (reason: actively help new ubuntu user in ubuntu-my forum)
  • ApOgEE-- agreed with GunbladeIV

<itiknila> itiknila + 1 umarzuki forum stuff

  • ApOgEE-- +1 umarzuki

<BuffaloSoldier> umarzuki, add some links to the post that you made in the forum... pick the really good ones

<zarul> I won't be able to vote for umarzuki as I am rarely here.. But I believe the rest know him well to judge him.. :-)

<e-jat> +1 for his contribution in forum + his tutorial

<BuffaloSoldier> e-jat, tutorial? emajalah? ke benda lain?

<e-jat> tutorial then post kat forum aa

<e-jat> kan umarzuki ?

<umarzuki> a-ah

<BuffaloSoldier> umarzuki, i missed the links.. sorry... that's great job :)

<umarzuki> hehehe

  • ApOgEE-- sebenarnya x layak nak vouch pun sebab takde official membership.. wakakakaka (just a fan club)

<BuffaloSoldier> +1 for umarzuki

<e-jat> serta dimuat naik ke wiki

<GunbladeIV> umarzuki, better ko carik the best tutorial or post dlm forum to link dgn wiki as a prove..

<umarzuki> macam mana dgn installer umobile yg cilok dr melayubuntu tu ;-)

<BuffaloSoldier> ApOgEE-, untuk peringkat kita2 ni... anyone here can vouch

<BuffaloSoldier> sbb tak semua ubuntu member kenal rapat dgn people in here

<ApOgEE--> BuffaloSoldier, thanks for honoring me

<e-jat> umarzuki: amik nasihat GunbladeIV tu ..

<GunbladeIV> umarzuki, i've been in the meeting once, they will ask for any prove

<e-jat> sbb GunbladeIV tu pengalaman lebih .. nak pergi interview kali ke-2

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, lol

<e-jat> umarzuki: jgn yg cilok2

<e-jat> yg original .. banteras lanun

<BuffaloSoldier> ApOgEE-, the honor is mine, in being your friend :)

<zarul> Dulu lagi susah nak jadi member...

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: masa akad tu ter -gagap ke?

<GunbladeIV> umarzuki, 1st interview is kinda hard for me.. but i want to try again tomorrow and see how can i improve myself in the future

<e-jat> itiknila: lebih kurang la kut ..

  • ApOgEE-- bow to BuffaloSoldier

<BuffaloSoldier> dulu mark shuttleworth tanya soalan cepumas... gigil aku nak jawab... dah ler kul 6pagi

<e-jat> x pun tersalah sebut mas kawin

<GunbladeIV> itiknila, it's like you being investigate by interpol.. they will aks each of your contributions for prove

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: rilex la .. ade org 10 kali akah nikah rilex jerk

<umarzuki> erk....nk kena siapkan link awal2 ni

<GunbladeIV> umarzuki, yup

<e-jat> umarzuki: siapkan lepas nie jugak

<BuffaloSoldier> so we proceed ot next candidate?

<GunbladeIV> umarzuki, and make sure ko dh sign CoC

<BuffaloSoldier> so far umarzuki has our backing

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, tambah la lagi wiki tu... mcm sikit sgt

<e-jat> tertuduh berikut nya : GunbladeIV ?

<GunbladeIV> NEXT CANDIDATE: GunbladeIV

  • GunbladeIV -1 vote for him

<e-jat> nie penjenayah paling merbahaya nie kat jengka

  • ApOgEE-- +1 for GunbladeIV (the web mastah...)

<e-jat> no 1 in uitm jengka criminal

<BuffaloSoldier> please READ, UNDERSTAND and SIGN CoC.... nanti sbb benda2 camtu... tak lepas

<itiknila> itiknila +1 wiki

<BuffaloSoldier> CoC is not a bad thing... as long as your intention is good... CoC won't bother you at all

<GunbladeIV> BuffaloSoldier, yup

<e-jat> +1 mastah kpd segala web application

<umarzuki> +1 gunbladeIV

<BuffaloSoldier> -->> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/umarzuki

<BuffaloSoldier> silaps

<BuffaloSoldier> --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gunbladeiv

<umarzuki> kekeke

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV dah ada pengalaman kene reject... nothing much to say.. wish you luck tomorrow dude!!

<umarzuki> tekejut aku

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, thanks bro

<e-jat> huhu

<BuffaloSoldier> umarzuki, training jer tuh.. nak test ko... so esok tak terkejut :p

<e-jat> next candidate : linuxmalaysia

<umarzuki> masa reject, apa diorang cakap?

<GunbladeIV> ApOgEE--, really hope we canl be cndidate side by side again like old time

<e-jat> umarzuki: dia akan bagi kata2 semangat

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, diorg cakap don't hesitate to try again... keep up the good work!!

<zarul> In fact I would recommend that the new candidates really try to understand the CoC... Untuk kebaikkan diri gak... Kalau tau hukumannya adalah diantara mendapat malu ataupun yang lagi best.. kena saman

<zarul> masa tu, menangislah tak berlagu..

  • ApOgEE-- +1 zarul

<e-jat> kalau time da x berlagu tu .. ADUN parlimen pun x dpt nak tlg .. :">

<zarul> Saman, xder orang kena lagi kot... Dapat malu .. slalu gak dalam mailing list/IRC

<e-jat> opsss .. my bad ...

  • ApOgEE-- rajin sungguh nak mem'vouch' harini... waakakaka

<e-jat> next candidate : linuxmalaysia

<umarzuki> mane bro haris?

  • ApOgEE-- +1 linuxmalaysia

<BuffaloSoldier> -->> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/linuxmalaysia

<GunbladeIV> NEXT CANDIDATE : Linuxmalaysia (correction in amount of candidates form 4 to 5)

<e-jat> td kat opis dah bgtau ..

  • GunbladeIV +1 for linuxmalaysia (reason: active in open source development)

<e-jat> tp esok dia ada meeting pkl 530 ngn mdec .. tp dia akan online jugak katenye dr site dia meeting tu

<e-jat> +1

<GunbladeIV> zarul, your votes?

<GunbladeIV> vote*

<e-jat> since nbliang pun dah ym ngn dia siang tadi .. so tunggu jerk la ..

<zarul> ops sorry..

<zarul> okie +1

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV, ada lagi candidate?

<GunbladeIV> END OF CANDIDATES LIST

<BuffaloSoldier> linuxmalaysia has been involved in FOSS for so many years. His contribution is many and varied. But his specific contribution in Ubuntu is hard to present to people.

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: next agenda :)

<GunbladeIV> NEXT AGENDA : Conclusion

<BuffaloSoldier> most of his contribution is pushing for FOSS and Ubuntu in government agencies... many of those meetings are P&C

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: nope

<BuffaloSoldier> but i will try to back him up

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, got another issue?

  • e-jat +1 BuffaloSoldier
  • ApOgEE-- +1 BuffaloSoldier

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: next agenda : my suggestion to web team

<ApOgEE--> :p

<e-jat> OPENid :P

<GunbladeIV> NEXT AGENDA: Suggestion to use OPENID in ubuntu-my websites

<zarul> Can't wait to get a copy of the latest Ubuntu

<zarul> http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

<e-jat> website + wiki ..

<zarul> :p

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, openid will be implemented when any of the webmaster got time to do so

<BuffaloSoldier> +1, as long as it is easier for the end-user

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, in the mean time we will try to study on how to make it work

<e-jat> yeah .. thanks

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: bleh jadi project paper tu

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, my opinion is to use OPENID for our forums and wiki only . because our main website which is ubuntu.com.my doesnt have any login for user biasa

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: agreed

<zarul> Operating System , BM bukan Sistem Operasi ke?

  • ApOgEE-- +1 GunbladeIV

<angch> step one: use drupal's openid module. step two: ??? step three: profit.

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: dont forget planet ..

<ApOgEE--> zarul, kat mana tu?

<e-jat> angch: hhu

<GunbladeIV> Sistem Pengoperasian if im not mistaken.

<e-jat> GunbladeIV + ApOgEE- : need to upgrade WP

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, planet also allow admin to login

<e-jat> current 2.5.1

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, ohw.. ok

<e-jat> thanks dude ..

<GunbladeIV> e-jat, i tot u still mention about openid

<ApOgEE--> Sistem Operasi, Sistem Pengoperasian, dua2 penah aku jumpa dalam buku teks...

<ApOgEE--> :P

<zarul> ah, okie

<e-jat> OS ? GunbladeIV buku dinasour

<e-jat> owh tidak!!!

<BuffaloSoldier> frutiful meeting

<BuffaloSoldier> fruitful meeting

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, WP for planet ubuntu?

<BuffaloSoldier> any other agendas for tonight?

<e-jat> ApOgEE- : yeah

<e-jat> sy cadangankn meeting ditunda !

<GunbladeIV> ADA AGENDA BERBANGKIT ?

  • ApOgEE-- cheers to BuffaloSoldier !!

<ApOgEE--> takde cikguu!!!

<zarul> Takder, cuma ngantuk jer

<e-jat> +1 zarul

<GunbladeIV> Okeh, kalau mcm tu kita tunda meeting. Allow me to summarize tonight's meeting

<ApOgEE--> maka, dengan ini, mesyuarat ditunda ke masa dan waktu yg akan diberitahu kelak dalam wiki/milis

<e-jat> GunbladeIV: sila sila n TQVM

<GunbladeIV> 1st Issue: Peluang kumpul dana

<GunbladeIV> Conclusion : sesiapa yg berminat nak buat business dgn company tu... kumpul sesama korang... set time n date utk jumpa org company tu

<GunbladeIV> 2nd issue: Regional Board meeting candidates

<GunbladeIV> Conclusion:

<ApOgEE--> GunbladeIV esok masukkan dlm wiki please... both, .com and .com.my

<GunbladeIV> -JomLinux is being -5 votes from the Ubuntu-my members.

<GunbladeIV> - Umarzuki is being +5 votes from the ubuntu-my members but need to edit wiki to emphesize the contribution.

<GunbladeIV> - Melayubuntu received +5 votes from the ubuntu-my members regarding his contribution on exposing ubuntu in malaysia through his e-maj and blog's posts.

<GunbladeIV> - GunbladeIV is being +5 votes from ubuntu-my members

<GunbladeIV> - Linuxmalaysia is being +5 votes from ubuntu-my members

<GunbladeIV> 3rd Issue: Using OpenID for ubuntu-my websites

<GunbladeIV> conclusion: action will be taken when webmaster got time, time will be use to study on implementation. Only forum and wiki will be using OpenID

<GunbladeIV> Summary ends

<e-jat> wow

<e-jat> leh jadi bot utk ubuntu-my

<GunbladeIV> Jadi boleh saya tunda meeting?

<ApOgEE--> silakan GunbladeIV

<ApOgEE--> e-jat, bleh...

<itiknila> gunbladeiv: second

<zarul> nitez all

<GunbladeIV> Summary of this meeting will be post on Ubuntu-my wiki and forums as well. Dengan ini meeting ditunda sehingga tarikh akan diberitahu kelak

<zarul> - N -

<ApOgEE--> nite zarul ... thanks

<GunbladeIV> nite zarul.. thanks for your time

<umarzuki> selamat pagi semua

<GunbladeIV> selamat2

<umarzuki> dah pukul 1 pg

<ApOgEE--> umarzuki, selamat... terima kasih

  • ApOgEE-- sambung buat keje... salam all...
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